KenCanToo referred to this tool in a previous post (http://www.submitexpress.com/analyzer/). I decided to visit it and tried a couple of different pages to see what it showed. The index page was about what I expected. Product pages also seemed to be generally correct. What struck me as odd is that category pages appeared inaccurate, for lack of a better word.

The category pages seem to be so wrong I thought I'd post this and see if anyone sees the same thing on their site. I'm also questioning whether this is an accurate tool and, if it is, whether the search engines are seeing my category pages correctly.

For starters, the only keywords that seem to appear for category pages are:
pagetracker - 5 - 13.89%
getelementbyid - 2 - 5.56%
cart - 2 - 5.56%
value - 2 - 5.56%

I tried to completely manipulate a category page by adding the same word over and over and over and I still could not get it to show up as a keyword with this tool. What could possibly cause the page words to be hidden? Why only on category pages? Why not the index pages or product pages?

The second thing that I see with category pages is that the meta tag analysis all bomb. Title is 0% relevancy to content. Keywords are 0% relevant to page content. I made sure I used a category page that should be extremely relevant in all cases.

I'd really like to know if anyone else is having the same result with their category pages. If so, do you think it is a programming problem? If not, what am I doing wrong.

Here's the page that I'm looking at:
http://www.coinsupplyexpress.com/national-park-quarters.aspx

I can't imagine how "national park quarters" wouldn't show up as a keyword for that page. But, maybe I'm about to learn something new.

Hey, I just checked a page on my site, and everything appeared to be working correctly. I have static HTML on the page, and it picked it up fine.

Was it a "category" page? Like I said, everything seemed fine with the index page and product pages. It was only a category page - created by using the "manage categories" tool that had a problem.

I checked out my category page and it too came out fine. The results weren't great but they seemed to be relevant.

If you were to look at both of our source codes for the category page, they are virtually identical except for the actual text for the page itself.

For some reason the analyzer is not picking up your keywords

Hey Joe,
Take it with a grain of salt, this tool isn't the magic fix for every page but it will give you some valuable information and generally if you hit 100% your page will be smiled on by the serps. I did notice that your description has some information that is isn't on the page, I'd start by rewriting the Meta description for that page, see if you can fix that one in the tool then move on from there to the title, you have:
National Parks Quarters | America the Beautiful Program
The first one is fine, but show me where "America the Beautiful Program" is on your page, REMOVE That second one and retest I bet your score will change, I see America the Beautiful but along with the word program it is no where on the site so your title doesn't match. Like I said this isn't a solve all but the tool can point out some major errors, we don't concentrate on category pages or the home page and I'll tell you why. I really need to provide some references but I couldn't find the document they were in so you'll just have to trust me... Most people when searching for a product are taken DIRECTLY to that product's page, not the category page, not your home page but directly to that item, and the sources I couldn't find for reference studied to see how people reacted if the page didn't serve up what they were looking for. Which do you think the majority did, look elsewhere on the site or click the back button to go back to the search engine and try another page? Afraid it's the second option, only a small portion actually stayed on that site to try and find their product so it is IMPERATIVE to have your product pages rank first, and best. Good Luck...

I have an idea for you Joe, clone this category and retest see if it changes the result. It's like the page is blocking the info. I checked our link http://5forms.com/contractor-forms.aspx and that's what it should look like. I'd clone the category and then if the new one works better, move the products create a redirect and DELETE that sucker...

Hey Ken,

I get what you're saying about product pages vs. category pages. It was more that there seemed to be a wealth of information with the index page but the category page was nothing. The particular page I referenced is for a new program so that products aren't out yet. People don't know what they're looking for. From that perspective I'd like the cat page to be somewhat relevant because I'm expecting window shoppers for that keyword.

Regarding America The Beautiful... that's your government at work. What silly same, eh? The program is officially the Amercia The Beautiful but it's going to get called National Park Quarters because that's what's going to be on them. I think I actually had a real reference to it early on but took it out thinking that it would only dilute the page. I left it in the title because that shows in SERPs.

So, I tried duping the page. No luck. Then I tried removing my site header. Guess what... there it is, lots and lots of info, just like my index page. So, what is it about my header? I'm guessing that it's about timing. This free program has X milliseconds to look through a page and my page header, in combination with the side columns and other behind the scenes coding take up too much time for it to get to the meat of the page. That's my theory any way. So, now the question is do other bots - the ones that matter - do the same thing? Should I redesign and compact my page header?

Hi, yes, that is a category page. However, I did modify it quite a bit with html/css

A Few things here:
Let me clarify what I said about removing "America the Beautiful Program", if you do and retest I'm sure you'd see your score change for the title, as another method change every instance of "America the beautiful" to "America the Beautiful Program" on your page. Here's how the tool works at calculating your score. First it's going to count the total number of words, then it's going to weigh whether or not you have those TITLE Keywords in any alt text for your images, then it's going to count how many instances of the TITLE word and KEYWORDS are in your text, take that number and divide that by your total number of words to see what your Keyword Density is. My point should have been, if you are using "America the Beautiful Program" as a title, it should also be a keyword and it should also appear on your page more than just one time. I hope that explanation is a little more clear.



This brings me to another issue about rotating products on every page which I see you do at the top, this can be BAD BAD BAD depending on how you are implementing this, fortunately you're doing this right. I'm all for rotating stock on the home page but only once a month. If google crawls you today and they put your page results up for X item and person searching clicks it but your auto rotate has changed it to something else, the customer may leave, where as if you only do it once a month google smiles and says oh they are updating their page every month so I need to keep looking for changes and update more often. You are using a picture instead of text so google doesn't know you're really changing anything, it's a visual read instead of being able to read by search spiders. This is good. It does make me wonder why your index page is loading the information with a header but not a category. I don't think this is going to hurt you as google and other search engines will keep coming back until they have read the whole page. I would want to know why it is only happening on the category pages and compare the index to them to see what is different. Do you know what is included in the category pages that isn't included in the index or product pages? Something is definitely different, but I wouldn't worry about it. Use paste this in a google search box cache:http://www.coinsupplyexpress.com/national-park-quarters.aspx then search, near the top on the right click the TEXT only version. This is basically what google sees.